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Primeiro Olhar: Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle .223 Rem. / 5,56 NATO.

Em 2011, Ruger revelou seu Gunsite Scout Rifle (GSR) em homenagem à instalação de treinamento do Arizona fundada por Jeff Cooper em 1979 (Gunsite Academy). Banhado em .308 Win., O Ruger GSR original foi a versão formal da Ideia de Rifle de 1984, de Cooper & # 8217; publicado na revista Gun Digest.

A interpretação moderna de Ruger do conceito bolt-rifle da Cooper evoluiu para o cartucho NATO .223 Rem./5.56.

Em grande parte semelhante ao Ruger GSR .308, a nova versão 5.56 da OTAN pertence à família M77 e usa vários recursos no estilo Mauser, como extrator de garras, alimentação circular controlada, ejetor montado no receptor e segurança de três posições. Outros recursos conhecidos incluem um ressalto de recuo integral e um parafuso de aço inoxidável, uma peça e alça. O rifle é alimentado a partir de um magazine de caixa destacável Accurate-Mag, segurando 10 tiros de 0,237 / 5,56 com uma alavanca de liberação mag do estilo Mini-14 na frente do guarda-mato.

& # 8220; Ruger Gunsite Scout & # 8221; gravação a laser nos pares de receptores de aço 4140 com o & # 8220; 5.56 NATO 1-8 & # 8243; em um barril de aço de 16,1 polegadas, perfil médio, forjado a martelo. Um flash-hider com padrão de rosca de 1/2 & # 8243; -28 vem no barril de torção de 1: 8-polegadas com rifling de seis sulcos. O receptor e o barril estão em um material laminado preto com garras giratórias e fivelas no forf e no buttstock. Comprimento de puxar é ajustável de 12 3/4 a 14 1/2 polegadas com um buttpad de borracha removível, tornando o comprimento total entre 37 e 38 1/2 polegadas. O rifle estará disponível com opções de acabamento em preto ou aço inoxidável para cada configuração direita e esquerda.

O GSR 5.56 também inclui miras de ferro no estilo Mini-14, suportes integrais para os anéis de escora Ruger (incluídos) e um trilho Picatinny de 6 polegadas para montar um escopo de escoteiros de longo alcance sugerido por Cooper.

Embora original de Cooper & # 8220; Scout Rifle Idea & # 8221; foi invadido em 308 Win., o GSR 5.56 é um rifle de uso geral sólido que atende rigorosamente a ideologia de Cooper. Procure mais sobre o Ruger GSR na próxima edição da revista Shooting Times.

O Ruger Gunsite Rifle em .223 Rem./5.56 NATO está disponível agora com os seguintes preços de varejo: preto fosco (mão L / R) $ 1,039; aço inoxidável (mão L / R) $ 1.099.

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Revisão da Arma: Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle in .450 Bushmaster.

Há alguns verdadeiros heróis de armas no panteão de grandes nomes, e o coronel Jeff Cooper, o fundador da Gunsite Academy, certamente conquistou seu lugar entre eles. Muitas vezes franco, o ex-fuzileiro naval fez um nome digno para si mesmo escrevendo, ensinando e inovando por décadas.

É difícil até mesmo falar inteligentemente sobre o combate com uma arma de qualquer tamanho sem usar a terminologia ou técnicas promulgadas pelo Coronel Cooper. Uma de suas grandes inovações, feita com a ajuda e inclusão de muitos dos grandes nomes do seu tempo, foi o "Fuzil de Batedor".

Com materiais modernos (os que estavam disponíveis em 1980), Cooper imaginou uma arma de fogo de uso geral, convenientemente portátil e operável, capaz de acertar um único golpe decisivo, em um alvo vivo de até 200 quilos. peso, a qualquer distância em que o operador pode atirar com a precisão necessária para colocar um tiro em uma área vital do alvo. & # 8221;

Existem várias empresas que produziram alguma versão do Rifle Scout, com Steyr fazendo a primeira versão de produção em 1983. Desde então, Ruger fez várias versões do rifle. Sua mais nova variação no tema é uma versão um pouco mais moderna do clássico, esta em .450 Bushmaster.

O Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle tem linhas clássicas e tradicionais, ou pelo menos linhas tradicionais para um rifle de batalha dos anos 1940-50. Pense M14 apenas menor, ou M1 Carbine, mas maior.

O estoque é um grau simples de nogueira, atraente e resistente o suficiente, mas sem muito grão ou figurando. O checkering da máquina é bem feito e funcional.

O barril flutuante livre é 16,1 polegadas de aço preto e o receptor tem o mesmo acabamento preto fosco. Não há alto polimento, sem brilho, mas o acabamento é uniforme e bem feito em todo o rifle. A aparência geral desta arma robusta é tudo de negócios. Foi feito para ser carregado por quilômetros e por dias, em mato grosso e em campos abertos. Para esse trabalho, ele executa admiravelmente.

Quando se trata de carregá-lo através da floresta, ele não poderia ficar muito mais fácil do que o Ruger Gunsite Scout em .450 Bushmaster. Seguindo as dimensões básicas estabelecidas por Cooper & # 8212; um comprimento máximo de 40 polegadas e não mais pesado que 6,6 lbs & # 8212; Ruger Scout Rifle se encaixa no projeto, mas apenas mal. E somente se você deixar o vidro.

A espingarda de Cooper pedia esse limite de peso com mira de ferro e vidro, mas um escopo de alívio de olho longo fixo fixo nos anéis fornecidos provavelmente só acrescentaria mais oito ou nove onças. Com a mira de ferro, quando sai da caixa, achei o rifle fantasticamente fácil de transportar enquanto caminhava pela floresta e pelo mato.

Pendurado sobre um ombro, é provável que seja confortável o dia todo. Infelizmente, sinto-o se estou carregando com uma mão. O ponto de equilíbrio da arma é, como Cooper teria desejado, diretamente sob a ação. Mas também é onde a revista de caixa está localizada, mostrando alguns centímetros com seus cantos afiados.

Assim, a incapacidade de transportar confortavelmente o rifle de reconhecimento com uma só mão em seu ponto de equilíbrio natural relega a espingarda leve ao transporte de duas mãos. Um escopo no trilho dianteiro desloca um pouco o peso para frente, mas não o suficiente para firmar o rifle com a mão para frente da revista.

A Ruger se orgulha de que o extrator de alimentação circular não rotativo, tipo Mauser, é o sistema de extração de caixa mais positivo já inventado. Poucos argumentariam com eles lá. Um puxão para trás do parafuso de aço inoxidável lançou o latão Bushmaster450 gasta um sólido 15 pés para frente e para a direita. Se esse for o calibre que você está filmando, você vai querer encontrar esses casos.

A ação em si foi muito funcional, mas não particularmente suave. Há uma pequena quantidade de oscilação na ação até que a alça do parafuso seja puxada para baixo. O lock-up, no entanto, parece estar muito apertado. Eu nunca tive problemas de extração de qualquer tipo, e desde que eu tivesse a revista sentada corretamente, não havia problemas em compartimentar uma rodada também.

Com tanto espaço extra na revista de quatro rounds, que é muito grande para acomodar os robustos cartuchos Bushmaster, tentei carregar as rondas em posições diferentes. Tanto quanto alimentar as rondas na câmara, o posicionamento do cartucho dentro da revista parecia não fazer diferença alguma.

Essa revista bem, como o guarda-mato, não é metal, mas feita de um nylon reforçado com fibra de vidro. Material sábio, isso é algo de desapontamento. Mas a realidade é que o guarda-mato de plástico (ish) é superior a um feito de metal. Em um rifle que exige peso leve, precisamos raspar onças sempre que pudermos, e por pura resistência à corrosão, tirar o metal da equação onde suas mãos provavelmente serão mais úteis.

E ainda é muito resistente. É muito duvidoso que você o quebre, largando-o ou batendo em uma árvore. Em suma, você provavelmente terá que tentar quebrá-lo.

Aninhado dentro desse guarda-mato é um bom gatilho. Eu detectei apenas um pouquinho de grão & # 8212; só um pouco & # 8212; antes do gatilho bater em uma parede de 4 1/2 lbs. Nesse ponto, fui recompensado com uma pausa limpa e nítida. Eu gostei que o peso caiu pelo menos mais uma libra, mas como é, é perfeitamente capaz de colocar com precisão uma rodada.

Espaçadores simples fornecidos permitem o comprimento do ajuste de puxada de 12,75 a 14,25 polegadas. Nada aumenta e parece recuar como um estoque que é muito longo, então o tamanho curto da caixa será apreciado por pessoas menores emolduradas.

Para aqueles de nós com braços longos, essa LOP curta é estranha, colocando seu rosto muito perto do receptor. Isso pode levar a um ângulo de pulso ruim e afetar a precisão. (Se você tiver mais de um metro e oitenta e tiver atirado em uma bolsa 91/30 Mosin Nagant, você sabe o que eu quero dizer.)

Como é, você pode usar a chave sextavada fornecida para instalar facilmente os espaçadores para adicionar algum comprimento. Para aqueles de vocês com braços longos, mas casacos pesados ​​de inverno, você pode ir e voltar conforme as estações mudam.

O Scout Rifle tem três sistemas de visão diferentes. Primeiro, você pode ir como o Scout foi planejado, com um longo escopo de alívio de olho montado no trilho dianteiro incluído, com ferros como um backup. O estilo de escoteiro forward & # 8220; & # 8221; o vidro funciona bem, contanto que você fique com uma óptica de baixa potência.

Um dos grandes benefícios de um escopo antecipado é que ele permite que você retenha a maior parte do seu campo de visão. Claro, isso só funciona se a potência for razoavelmente baixa, raramente acima de 3X. Mais do que isso e seus olhos têm dificuldade em conciliar as duas visões diferentes.

O outro benefício é supostamente a aquisição rápida de alvos através do escopo. O Coronel Cooper alegou que a maioria das pessoas que tentaram a configuração do telescópio montada para a frente preferiu. A menos que seja uma simples ótica de ampliação zero de ponto vermelho, não sou uma dessas pessoas.

Eu testei-o antes (e novamente com este rifle) e descobri que, para mim, o telescópio montado para a frente com uma óptica de 3X é mais lento para acertar e disparar com precisão do que uma óptica tradicional montada na traseira com a mesma ampliação.

Sua milhagem, claro, pode variar. Se você decidir ir sem ótica, algumas voltas de quatro parafusos removem o trilho pré-instalado e um pouco de peso.

O rifle também vem com mira de ferro, e eles são muito bons. Fiquei muito surpreso ao descobrir que eles vieram da fábrica apenas uma polegada de baixo e uma polegada para a direita a 100 jardas. Isso é pronto para a caça imediatamente.

A visão traseira é um anel de fantasma ajustável que é apenas o tamanho certo para a frente da lâmina, que é protegida por orelhas de aço & # 8221 ;. Em alvos pretos ou cinzentos, essa visão frontal tendia a desaparecer, tornando difícil fotografar com precisão em condições de pouca luz. Se esta fosse minha arma, eu levaria um pouco de esmalte vermelho para ela.

Eu também gostei daqueles ouvidos protetores. Embora eles protejam principalmente a lâmina frontal de ser quebrada ou dobrada, há outro recurso muito útil que poucas pessoas usam.

Com uma consistente posição de bochecha para estoque e um pouco de perspicácia, uma visão frontal protegida faz um prático telêmetro. Você pode fazer isso de duas maneiras. O primeiro é simplesmente com matemática e calculando a relação entre a visão frontal e um alvo em potencial.

Uma maneira muito mais divertida, prática e tranquilizadora é simplesmente montar um pedaço de compensado com uma distância marcada. Eu escolho 48 polegadas, que é sobre o comprimento médio do corpo de um cervo da cauda branca. Eu então volto para ver a que distância esse comprimento se encaixa completamente entre as orelhas de visão. Eu, então, recuo um pouco mais e vejo a distância em que o mesmo alvo se encaixa entre a visão frontal e uma das orelhas.

Você pode então fazer um backup ainda mais para ver a que distância o alvo está apenas obscurecido pela parte superior da visão frontal. Isso lhe dá três distâncias sólidas a partir das quais você pode escolher sua presa.

Tal como acontece com a maioria dos pontos turísticos, se & # 8220; eared & # 8221; como o Rifle de Scout, um ou um anel, a curva dos protetores lhe dá uma medida adicional, como você pode julgar a distância na parte mais estreita (a parte inferior) ou a mais larga. Em seguida, escreva tudo em algum lugar para uso futuro.

Como eles são, desde que eu tivesse boa iluminação e meu alvo não fosse muito escuro, obtive grande precisão usando as miras de ferro e a munição da fábrica Hornady. Na verdade, consegui grupos melhores que eu esperava.

Tirando as sacas a 100 jardas, eu consegui uma média de 2,5 polegadas em grupos de cinco rounds com 20 rodadas usando os ferros. Eu poderia ter removido a mira traseira com a chave sextavada fornecida, em seguida, instalado os anéis fornecidos nas montagens de escaneamento usinadas diretamente no receptor e, em seguida, colocar no modo "tradicional" # 8221; vidro de alívio de olho curto.

Em vez disso, eu segui o caminho mais fácil e puxei um escopo Atibal Nomad 3-12x em um (para trás) Warne cantilever, montando outra arma de teste e montando-a no trilho dianteiro. Pode não parecer atraente, e meu olho está um pouco mais perto do receptor do que eu gostaria, mas você não pode argumentar com os resultados. E não, não há problemas com o movimento do parafuso ou da ejeção de latão.

Este set-up me deu grupos de 1,1 polegada para os quatro grupos de cinco rounds. Eu disparei de malas de 100 jardas usando a munição da fábrica Hornady. Só por diversão, eu tiro um grupo em 300 jardas & # 8212; sobre tanto quanto eu provavelmente caçaria com esta rodada & # 8212; e coloque um único grupo de 4 polegadas.

Isso me surpreendeu. Não tenho dúvidas de que os resultados teriam sido iguais ou melhores se eu tivesse montado o Nomad Atibal nos anéis fornecidos diretamente ao receptor, e certamente teria sido mais confortável. Assim, tenho grupos suficientemente bons para caçar com ferro ou com vidro traseiro.

Uma reclamação que tenho com este rifle é o freio de boca. Este não é um rifle pesado, mas também não é uma rodada particularmente punitiva. Não há razão para que, mesmo sem o freio instalado, você não consiga segurar a arma com firmeza o bastante em recuo para ver seu alvo atingir uma distância de 100 jardas. Isso significa que você está usando ferros ou um escopo de baixo consumo de energia adequado para um Rifle de reconhecimento.

Em .450 Bushmaster, este rifle não precisa de freio. Apenas acrescenta um pouco mais de comprimento ao rifle. No entanto, observe que eu disse que é um "pretenso" & # 8221; queixa. Ruger gentilmente forneceu um protetor de rosca que você pode colocar no final do barril, uma vez que você tenha decidido que já teve o suficiente do som e da fúria daquele freio instalado de fábrica. Kudos a Ruger por fornecer a opção.

Observe quantas vezes eu disse "& # 8220; fornecido" & # 8221; nesta revisão. Ruger realmente foi acima e além aqui para fornecer um pacote total para o usuário. Calços, ferramentas, freio, arruelas, anéis - tudo o que você precisa para personalizar o rifle de acordo com o seu corpo e como você atira está bem ali na caixa. Isso é uma grande vantagem na proposta de valor do Ruger Scout Rifle.

Embora eu seja fã de muitas coisas sobre esse pequeno rifle, a configuração da revista não é uma delas. Eu estou bem com a revista em si, embora com as rodadas de Bushmaster de .450 em uma revista .308, há um monte de espaço desperdiçado lá. É a inserção dos magos que me mata. Não é como um AR, com um empurrão direto para a revista bem. Também não é como um AK, com seu movimento de gancho e rock-back.

É a pior situação dos dois mundos. A borda frontal do compartimento deve ser inserida em um pequeno ângulo antes de pressionar o magazine para cima. Se você não conseguir obter aquele pequeno ângulo, vai deixá-lo desorientado para colocar a revista. Ou, pior, você acha que está entalado e ainda não chegou lá. Houve um par de vezes que isso levou a uma jam, já que a revista não estava totalmente encaixada quando eu enviei o boleto para a frente. Isso empurrou a rodada em um ângulo muito alto, colocando-a contra o topo da câmara.

Eu tive que puxar a revista com força para retirá-la e limpar a câmara. Eu pratiquei puxando a revista para me certificar de que estava sentada antes de trabalhar o parafuso.

O lançamento da revista também é pequeno demais para uma mão enluvada. Com as mãos nuas, eu tive pouco problema em acertar o lançamento do estilo de remo e largar a revista. Mas com minhas luvas de trabalho em & # 8212; deixe sozinho luvas de inverno pesado & # 8212; o lábio da liberação do remo era muito pequeno para o meu polegar pegar. Eu era, no entanto, capaz de improvisar e usar a teia do meu polegar, mesmo com luvas.

As escolhas de munição são extremamente limitadas. Eu recebi 100 rodadas de excelente FTX de 250gr da Hornady para a revisão. Não havia muito disponível localmente. Olhando on-line, a única rodada que eu encontrei que estava pronto para embarcar foi a mesma rodada FTX ou a FTX Black Round de 250gr da Hornady, que é a mesma bala e aparentemente idêntica em dimensões externas, assim como balística para as outras 250gr FTX volta.

Então, quando digo "extremamente limitado", quero dizer um (apesar de Remington também fazer uma carga de 0,450 em Bushmaster, eu não consegui encontrar nenhum em estoque). Eu recomendo recarregar para este cartucho.

Na plataforma Scout Rifle, não vejo nenhum benefício no Bushmaster .450 sobre o Winchester .308 (embora seja ótimo para caçar em alguns estados com leis de cartuchos de paredes retas). O .308 Win produz mais energia no focinho na maioria dos pesos de bala (todo o caminho até o 208 gr Hornady A-Max) e, por causa de coeficientes balísticos muito mais elevados, entrega mais e mais energia no alvo quanto mais longe do focinho você consegue. Portanto, a escolha de adotar este rifle em Bushmaster é interessante.

O conceito Scout Rifle da Cooper era uma arma de parafuso de curta duração de comprimento de carabina compartimentada em .308 ou (a superior) 7mm-08. Cooper também imaginou algo como o Bushmaster .450, mas especificamente para um rifle semi-automático, como o AR-15. Ele o chamou de "Batedor". # 8221;

Ruger usou o & # 8220; Thumper & # 8221; cartucho, mas na plataforma Scout Rifle. Eu percebo que é uma câmara fácil para este rifle, mas isso simplesmente não faz muito sentido, utilitário sábio. Uma versão 7mm-08 teria sido um recurso muito mais útil para o conceito original do Scout Rifle.

Ainda assim, isso é muito mais um Rifle Scout. Pode não ser o & # 8220; direito & # 8221; calibre, ele não pode ser carregado com clipes stripper e pode ser meio quilo muito pesado com vidro. Mas é um rifle leve, prático e rápido para o ombro que é capaz de levar a maioria dos jogos a distâncias razoáveis. E, afinal de contas, é o espírito da coisa.

Visão frontal: lâmina protegida.

Por que a câmara em um calibre ninguém usa quando .308 é uma opção?

Indiana e Michigan, talvez outros, têm regras que tornam este cartucho atraente para os cervos. Michigan e até o ano passado, Indiana não podia ter um rifle em, digamos, um .30-06 ou .308, mas eles poderiam ter um rifle em um cartucho de parede reta de pelo menos calibre .357 com um comprimento de caixa entre 1,16 e 1,8 polegadas, que cobre o .450 Bushmaster.

Bom ponto. Eu caçava alguns estados de parede reta, mas usava apenas um .45-70.

Michigan deu aos cartuchos de paredes retas restrições dimensionais reais e o 450 bushmaster é o maior tempo possível. Eu acredito que o caso não pode ser mais do que 1.8in. Eu conheço uma pessoa que está cortando 45/70 latão e carregando uma bala de 700 grãos a uma pequena profundidade de assento, mas parece uma péssima idéia e só vai levar um CO com um conjunto de pinças para pegá-lo com um esticador depois ele atira em um cervo.

A Windham agora oferece um MSR em .450BM também, mas eu não acho que o Maine tenha essa restrição de caso.

.450BM e .458 SOCOM são bem próximos, balisticamente falando, não são?

Sim. Mas o SOCOM não é de paredes direitas.

Mesma oferta em OH, somente parede reta.

Eles já fazem um em .308. Minha esposa teve um por uns cinco anos. Ótimo pequeno rifle.

As ofertas de .308 não incluem esse belo estoque de nogueira.

Isso é verdade. O dela tem esse laminado esverdeado. Pessoalmente, acho que parece muito bom, mas os gostos variam.

Observo que os preços subiram nos últimos anos. IIRC seu rifle foi de cerca de US $ 800 de, de todos os lugares, uma montanha Gander.

Em seguida, gostaria de vê-los em .338 Federal, .358 Winchester ou .45 Raptor, para encher essa revista.

O federal seria uma rodada ideal para esse fuzil. Faz um grande número nos grandes porcos.

As duas deficiências desta revisão da IMO são:

1) Eu não acho que você vai ter a experiência completa deste rifle sem uma lata. Isso deve ser super furtivo com subs e uma lata.

2) Eu acho que você precisa recarregar. Como você disse, isso parece ser uma rodada de recarga. Especialmente se você considerar o ponto 1.

Mais furtivo que um 308 com subs e uma lata?

É uma rodada mais prática a ser suprimida: opções de marcador mais pesadas, menos espaço vazio no caso de download para cargas subsônicas e subs estão mais próximas em MV para cargas de potência total. Em 308 existe uma enorme diferença em MV de potência total vs subcargas, produzindo mudanças de POI selvagens além dos 80 anos. Eu também acho que o MV é errático devido a ignição incompleta do pó do primer (é estabelecido no fundo do caso).

Nada disso é para dizer que eu compraria um 450BM. Eu estou mantendo meu 308 GSR e executando subs mesmo assim, apesar das limitações de carregar 308 subs. Eu posso comprar granel 7.62 & # 215; 51 FMJ para muito menos do que qualquer 450BM, e que é minha dieta primária para dias de intervalo de qualquer maneira.

Isso cobre a parte do leão dele. Para não mencionar ser um bolinha você não precisa se preocupar em andar de bicicleta com a arma; Se eu estava recarregando para isso, eu provavelmente estaria olhando para chefe de trilha (veja abaixo) ao fotografar subsônico. Esta rodada sendo 0,452 em vez de 0,458 tem a vantagem de poder usar marcadores 45LC / ACP também. Você poderia chegar a uma tonelada de combinações, incluindo algumas munições plinking barato, especialmente como um caster em casa. Mesmo em super sonic, eu estaria inclinado a executar balas revestidas com pó fundido com um metplat grande. Pelo que entendi, provavelmente seria uma boa opção para os que estão em território de suínos também.

Naturalmente, a outra questão seria quão pesado você pode ser subsônico e ainda não ser buraco de fechadura. Ao mesmo tempo, eu acho que seria um grande diferencial contra 0,308, se você recarregar. Como um reloader, ter um case de paredes retas também é uma vantagem ENORME em termos de mão-de-obra / não ter que lubrificar os casos ao tamanho e limpar posteriormente.

Isso seria tão incrível em .9mm.

Olhe para o Special Interest Arms (SIA) Novem. É uma ação de parafuso de 9 mm, supressor pronto e foi revisado anteriormente pelo TTAG.

Em teoria, um deve ser capaz de aumentar um pouco além do que pode ser feito em um AR. Será interessante ver se & # 8220; Aparafusar apenas & # 8221; os dados de carregamento começam a surgir.

É definitivamente uma rodada de handloader. Eu gosto da idéia de carregar rodadas com balas ultra-baratas ou chapadas para rebentar pássaros de barro e produtos vencidos com o anel-fantasma para dizer, 50 jardas, e então afixar um espaço para as rodadas mais quentes a distâncias maiores.

Além disso, big bores são simplesmente legais e eu pessoalmente estou incrivelmente entediado com todas as coisas 5.56 e 7.62 (e agora também 6.5). Sim, as rodadas rápidas e compactas geralmente têm mais libras, mas quanto maior e mais pesada a bala, menos lbs são necessários para fazer o trabalho. Um ponto chato de 0,45 de massa suficiente na verdade não precisa mesmo se expandir para ser eficaz.

Eu sei que isso não conta muito, mas é um rifle muito bonito; proporções agradáveis, lisas e elegantes sem olhar minimalista. Não no mercado para um eu mesmo, mas é muito atraente visualmente.

Acordado. Isso me lembra da carabina CZ 527 em 7,62 & # 215; 39, e esse era o meu rifle de sonho no ensino médio.

Eu tenho um desses CZs. seu maldito perto do melhor rifle que eu já usei.

O que este rifle faz que uma arma guia em 45-70 não faz melhor?

Algumas pessoas preferem apenas um rifle de parafuso. Eu gosto bastante de ações de alavancas, mas a verdade é que os BAs são um design muito mais forte e são mais fáceis de desmontar e manter do que uma alavanca. Os parafusos também são um pouco mais opcionais.

Alimentação circular controlada.

Bom ponto. Para o provável alcance e aplicação (caça de curto e médio alcance), uma alavanca de alcance em 45-70 provavelmente seria uma escolha melhor. Ele ainda pode ser preciso o suficiente para fins práticos, tem um ROF mais alto, uma variedade maior de opções de fábrica e recarga, e pode ser mais fácil de manusear no campo.

Mas, algumas pessoas preferem armas de pressão, e algumas dessas pessoas vêem algum tipo de valor no conceito de fuzil de batedor. Está tudo bem.

Eu estou gostando desse rifle.

Quer vender Jon?

Col Cooper iria chutar a bunda do autor por chamá-lo de "ex-fuzileiro naval". Se você foi dispensado honrosamente, você é sempre um fuzileiro naval.

Eu tenho o Ruger americano 450BM / SS 21 & # 8243; barril. Este rifle é o mais preciso rifle fora da caixa que eu já possuí. Sub MOA com a munição Hornady. Não posso esperar para começar a recarregar para ele. Um grande cervo ou javali.

Esta câmara foi inspirada por uma loja de armas de Michigan. Randys em Bax Axe, MI teve uma exclusividade na Ruger American em 450BM. Comprometido com 500 armas para os caçadores locais de cervos de Michigan. O programa de televisão Michigan Out of Doors fez uma reportagem sobre isso e acabaram vendendo 7000 armas. Chocado todos incluindo Ruger. O exclusivo acabou e Ruger agora cataloga o 450BM tanto no brinquedo de plástico, barato, como o americano quanto no belo Scout de noz. Nossas lojas em Michigan não podem mantê-las em estoque e Ohio acaba de adicionar o 450BM à lista de calibres aprovados durante o verão de 2017. Confira o clipe do youtube de Randys demonstrando o 450BM.

Eu pessoalmente possuo 2 Gunsites Scouts. Meu primeiro foi em .308 e montei uma variável Leupold 1.5-4. Não gosto desse escopo. Alívio do olho não na configuração real do escoteiro, sendo a parte frontal do receptor. Segundo Scout Gunsite é em .450 Bushmaster. Eu coloquei uma variável Burris 2 & # 215; 7 nisso. Muito melhor alívio para os olhos e tão claro. Também tanto dinheiro! Substituindo Leupold por Vortex 2 & # 215; 7 após a temporada de caça. Possuir vários produtos Vortex e atendimento ao cliente é incomparável. Leupold sendo relegado ao meu Marlin 336.

Eu tenho um Scout em 308 e um Scout em 450 BUSHMASTER, ambos com escopo de Vortex 2 & Scout. Armas impressionantes que operam na perfeição. Vivendo em Ohio é mais prático ter o Scout em 450 BUSHMASTER para caçar veados, já que não podemos caçar com uma cartiagem de parede reta. O poder de parada de 450 BUSHMASTER é enorme. Não há mais cervos rastreadores, eles simplesmente caem no mesmo lugar.

O Blog de armas de fogo.

Sturm, Ruger & amp; Co. anunciou uma adição de calibre à série Gunsite Scout Rifle: o 450 Bushmaster. Este é o segundo rifle Bushmaster 450 que a empresa introduziu nos últimos meses. O anúncio anterior cobria um novo Ruger American Rifle no calibre.

A nova arma segue o mesmo estilo e detalhes funcionais que os rifles existentes Gunsite Scout. Entre suas características:

stock & # 8211; O novo rifle usa um estoque feito de nogueira americana. Tem checkering nas áreas de aderência e frontais. Uma almofada de borracha macia na parte de trás do estoque ajuda a absorver o recuo. Ruger inclui três 1/2 e # 8243; espaçadores com a almofada para permitir que o atirador ajuste o comprimento do tambor de tração & # 8211; Ruger usa um 16.1 e # 8243; Barril forjado de martelo frio que está flutuando livremente. O barril é rosqueado (11/16 & # 8243; -24) e vem equipado com um Ruger Precision Rifle Hybrid Muzzle Brake. De acordo com a empresa, este freio oferece redução de recuo enquanto mantém a explosão em qualquer dos lados, no mínimo. vistas & # 8211; Um dos recursos óbvios do rifle de reconhecimento é a colocação antecipada de um escopo. Esta arma não vem com vidro, mas tem um trilho Picatinny para adicionar um que é montado para a frente do receptor. Além disso, a arma vem com mira de ferro: traseira ajustável e frente protegida.

Essas armas estão sendo entregues agora e têm um MSRP de US $ 1.199.

Richard Johnson.

Um defensor das zonas de proliferação de armas, Richard é um atirador de longa data, ex-policial e empresário da Internet. Entre os muitos lugares que ele chama de lar é o gunsholstersandgear /.

Niiiiice procurando arma, realmente. Mas as ações de parafuso são para tiro de longo alcance, para tiro de curto alcance (especialmente com jogo perigoso) usando calibres de pistola (.44 mag, .460 S & amp; W, & # 8230;) semiautos são uma opção melhor (IMHO).

Falando de mais rifles scout padrão (especificamente aqueles em 0,308), a principal razão para a ação do parafuso era para economizar peso (também é teoricamente mais confiável, mas há semis que são confiáveis ​​o suficiente para que isso não é um problema). Realmente não havia muitos rifles de batalha sub-9lb (e nenhum no momento em que Cooper delineou o conceito do Scout Rifle) e seu peso alvo (incluindo óptica, sling, munição e todo o resto) era de 7lb.

Embora para este artigo nós estamos lidando com .450 Bushmaster, que é curto o suficiente para caber em um AR15 que pode ser colocado em um pacote muito mais leve do que 9lb (embora provavelmente ainda em torno de 8.5-9lb quando você adiciona óptico, mag completo e outros doohickeys , mas 7lb não é exatamente um alvo fácil para armas de parafuso)

Eu também garantirei que Ruger poderia ter feito melhor o barbear de sua série de escoteiros (este rifle específico é de 6,6 lb descarregado; apenas 1 kg mais leve que um RRA .458 SOCOM * Eu não encontrei nenhum peso completo para um 450 Bushmaster) e com tudo isso concedido, eu não vejo muita vantagem deste rifle específico sobre um Bushmaster .450 (ou meu sabor preferido .458 SOCOM) AR15.

& # 8220; Eu também concederei que Ruger poderia ter feito melhor o peso de barbear de sua série de escoteiros (este rifle específico é 6.6lb descarregado; só 1lb mais claro que um RRA .458 SOCOM * Eu não pude achar nenhum peso completo para um 450 Bushmaster) e com tudo isso concedido, eu não vejo muita vantagem deste rifle específico sobre um Bushmaster .450 (ou meu sabor preferido .458 SOCOM) AR15. & # 8221;

Bem, o Bushmaster .450 tem uma pressão máxima de 40.000 PSI, enquanto a ação Ruger levará 60.000 cartuchos PSI. Eu prevejo o desenvolvimento do & # 8220; Ruger Only & # 8221; .450 Bushmaster é carregado por recarregadores e talvez por empresas como a Buffalo Bore.

Eu não teria problema com isso; contanto que não esteja soprando primers e afins.

O problema é que eles não podem ter semi-automóveis na África, então essa é uma das razões. Também um rifle será mais propício a uma parada rápida para um papel de guia.

Eu acredito que o PA ainda proíbe o uso de semi-autos para caçar veados. Meu estado não tem essa restrição, felizmente.

Não, eles mudaram isso este ano.

Sim, também um rifle será mais fácil de atingir rapidamente. Você levanta e você tem tempo para um tiro. Não importa se é semi automático ou não.

Boa escolha no Bushmaster .450 com balas de tamanho normal / comum .451 e cabeça de caixa. Os outros cartuchos que as pessoas parecem considerar ao lado do .450 Bushmaster é o .458 SOCOM com seu tamanho de bala estranha que realmente limita suas opções se você recarregar. Eu vou levar em comum um pouco menor de ganho de desempenho em qualquer dia. uploads. disquscdn / images / b22edbb21ed3b5b6fcf1ebf5e7cd73b7d343ce0b8ba8db8422156f7e21f0cdf1.jpg.

Eu diria o contrário. .458 is used for rifle rounds like .45-70, .450 Marlin, and 458 Win Mag which are all great reloading cartridges with nice available selection of bullets. .451/.452 is used in .45 pistol ammo like .45 ACP, .45 Colt, and .454 Casull and the bullets in that size are mostly designed for pistol velocities and ranges.

But for all intents and purposes external (but not necessarily terminal) performance is identical between .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM. External performance will vary more between different loads of the same cartridge than it will between the average performance of either cartridge. Terminal Performance will vary more by the specific bullet used in either cartridge.

I actually agree with you and I believe .458 has much more flexibility with subsonic loads in the 500+ grs range, however you forgot the bullets developed for .460 S&W. Those would work well at .450 velocities.

I’d like a Gunsite Scout in .45 Raptor. You’d get more mag capacity and it would still fit in the standard short-action. I’d also like a .358 Winchester or .338 Federal option.

Can I get a DPMS Gen II chambered in 45 Raptor while we’re at it?

And factory ammo, please.

I’m after a 20 round magazine full of super-heavy 45 caliber projectiles.

If you reload you do have the option to size .458 bullets to .451. Keep in mind that the twist rate for this cartridge may not stabilize anything much over 300gr.

That’s why Wilson Combat offers 2 twist rates for their .458 SOCOM barrels and rifles.

The advantage of the SOCOM is the .458 bullets.

It’s true that there are lots of .451 bullets out there, they are almost invariably of light construction for pistol use. While .458 bullets are not nearly as common, they are designed for rifle velocities.

Reloaders are using .45 cal muzzle loading bullets that come in sabots.

Neat. I love my .308 RGSR. Glad to see new caliber offerings.

This rifle should prove very useful to deer hunters in Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and other areas that allow the use of rifles in straight - wall and/or pistol calibers in previously “shotgun only” áreas. 450 Bushmaster achieves these requirements while probably requiring the least amount of work to adapt for production. With 45-70 type power and trajectory it should prove to have a longer effective range on big Midwestern deer over shotgun slugs.

Can’t use it in Ohio. We have a list of approved cartridges, and they’re all either handgun cartridges or old-timey things like .38-55, .45-70, .50-110.

What is there reasoning behind straight wall cartridges only? Got to be the dumbest thing ever. .

The stated reason is to limit the range of any bullets that miss their target in hunting areas that tend to be much smaller than in less heavily settled states; straight walled cartridges require big, heavy, broad bullets with rainbowlike ballistic arcs, which means that a drunken idiot in blaze orange is less likely to bag a backpacker if he misses the deer-colored lump of scrub brush he was “aiming” em.

Illinois, last I checked doesn’t allow ANY rifle for deer, shotgun slugs or buckshot. I think some handguns are allowed.

But the improved accuracy should made a rifle safer with fewer misses. A 12 gauge slug can fly a mile.

It is an anti gun anti hunting law or most likely plane ignorance on the legislatures.. I have been to ohio and the forests there are huge. There might be small pockets of huntable public area that are close to peoples houses. All the same the law isnt made for them it is made because law makers want to limit who can do it. The guns they ahve allowed arent all that common, nor is the ammo, also expensive. I guess 357 mag isnt terribly out of sight but still. If it isnt intentionally anti hunting then it is based on ignorance which is what I would expect.

Silliness. Ohio is huge though. Just punishes good hunters. Jackwagons with straight wall cartridges in the hands of an idiot will do the same as a rifle.

On the other hand, a good hunter is a good hunter even with a straight walled cartridge.

And a good hunter should get closer to his/her prey to ensure a humane kill, rather than relying on the rifle ballistics and shooting skills.

I agree with that but I can still accomplish these goals with a modern 308 bolt action with special loads that wont over penetrate or endanger the public.

Sure, but that would be something that could be hardly translated into law, subject to interpretation and misunderstandings, both for the hunters and the people in charge to verify that the law is followed.

Youre right but it doesnt need to. People would do it anyways because they dont want to shoot other people.

Its like this, I have a car that has 200 on the dash. I have never ever driven faster than 85, why because I know it would be unsafe to do because the roads arent made for it and it would endanger others. The government doesn’t ban that car because of what it can do. Why should they ban a class of gun because of what it can do?

If I understand correctly that class of guns is not banned, only not to be used for hunting.

Regarding the car example: you are responsible, others aren’t, for those there are radars and fines.

How can authorities verify if your load is approved or not? With a random check they can easily tell a straight walled cartridge from a necked one, surely they can’t tell how many fps your .308 will average (bring a chrono and ask to shoot a round? feasible, but expensive and unlikely).

Anyway, I’m not here to argue or to justify that regulation, just putting down thoughts. 😉

I get ya and I love arguing, I honestly am wrong a lot and forums like this help me. At the same time I I think if people do have loads that they shouldnt be using then are still not likely to hurt anyone. At least no more than a straight wall would. That is my opinion on it. Also while unlikely the under educated would buy it there are plenty of offerings of straight wall cartridges like buffalo bore that can reach out there or over penetrate and do some damage in the wrong hands.

The size of the state doesn’t impact the amount of congestion in hunting areas. The purpose of rules like this one is to keep people safe(r) while making more area available to rifle hunting.

Personally, I would love to find a .308 round that self destructed at 150 yards. It would allow me .308 accuracy without the “extra” range I don’t need or want.

Okay, I guess I was looking at it wrong at with the size. All the same I think the point is still the same. If you know what youre shooting at and what is behind it then there still shouldnt be an issue.

a 308 round that deploys a mini parachute or something to add more drag and reduce range.

Tubular bullets (cookie cutter style), they are already used in aircraft mounted guns as limited range target practice rounds.

When velocity drops under a certain threshold (I suppose related to specific Ma and Re numbers), they behave aerodynamically as flat points, slowing down rather quickly.

that’s much more simple.

A 308 round filled with rotation armed high explosives?

That was a BEAUTIFUL description!

To screw with people who want to hunt with common weapons.

Actually the 450 BM is legal in Ohio now. It was just added to approved cartridges.

I’m looking at the approved list right now, and I see .450 Marlin, not .450 Bushmaster. You can get an AR10 in .450 Marlin if you want to spend a lot of money, but otherwise you’re pretty much stuck with Winchester 94s, BLRs, or used Marlins.

From the mouth of Ohio DNR District 2 guy,…Ohio just revised the law from listing individual straight wall cartridges to those with a certain overall length like Michigan’s law. The 450 BM falls within the OAL limit therefore is legal. He said the info will be updated on the DNR website in time for the 2017 season.

As of last year, indiana now allows some full-fledged rifle cartridges for deer hunting.

And of course you could buy the same big bang in the American Ranch rifle which uses the same barrel and brake, is a pound lighter, cost half as much but is not as purty.

Yeah, but it’s not a SCOUT RIFLE, man…

I just don’t see the value of the concept nowadays with RDS-type optics and reliable DBM-fed rifles in a variety of actions. Like the 9mm, technology has caught up with Cooper, IMO. Maybe I just don’t “get it”…

Scout rifles are fun with RDS, Imho it makes the concept come alive.

That is a pretty rifle.

So .450 Bushmaster is 250gr at 2200 fps. And like .458 SOCOM it’s single stack in AR mags… I guess that’s okay. A 30rd mag will be 14 or 15 rounds.

Dammit, caliber is still too large, but I guess I could make my .351 WSL/Winchester 1907 corollary project be a .401 SL/Winchester 1910 corollary instead. That could be fun.

9 .458 SOCOM rounds fit in a 30 rd AR mag.

Você está certo. Gah. I would need a surefire 60/maybe Magpul 40 to get proper 1907 capacity levels. I guess it must be the 1910 instead. The 20rd AR mag appears to be 5 rounds, in keeping with the 1910’s 4rd mags.

That would almost certainly jam a Surefire coffin mag to all hell and back.

A big ol rotaryish magazine like you might see in borderlands (not a drum just rounds on the outer rim) could work. It would have to be about 8″ in diameter for about 40 rounds though.

You don’t need to cram a .450 in a surefire mag to do that.

I seem to remember someone trying the .458 SOCOM in one of the old 90rd MWG snail drums.

If I had to bet, I’d say: Tony Rumore.

If there’s something to be tested with .458 SOCOM, he has probably already tried it.

It’s really too bad that the Osprey 45 isn’t rated for .450 Bushmaster.

But the Hybrid is!

Why not just get a 9.3x62mm?

Y’know, something normal. Something more common. Or a .45/70.

Too long for the Scout, I presume.

Dude, it’s a Ruger. I swear, a Barret in .338 would be lighter than anything by Ruger.

Ruger tends to over engineer everything it seems.

I think it’s because they like casting so much. Then you need more metal.

Ruger actions are stupid strong compared to most other options.

S&W said the same stuff in their marketing years ago. But when’s the last time you read about loads that are only safe to fire in S&W pistols?

Yeah, they’re stupid strong. Sem dúvida. Just not lightweight.

When I think of a pack gun or something, my mind never wanders to Ruger.

Eh. 10/22 takedowns come to mind.

Kinda heavy those, and very expensive considering everything has to be changed at one point.

For takedowns I’d take a Browning .22 or Marlin Papoose.

That has what to do with action strength?

Plus side, if you run out of ammo you can still bludgeon the target to death.

That’s why I like Taurus. So cheap I don’t mind throwing them at my target. So you sorta get a shot more than the competition has (in regards to revolvers).

I was referring to the length of the action. The current one has a .308 length action. You’d need a 30-06 class for the 9.3. Wasn’t Cooper himself so hung up on short actions that Steyr ended up creating some stumpy, .308 length “wildcat” caliber for their version of his “Lion Scout?” If so, Ruger may not even have to option of fitting a longer action, if they want to retain the Gunsite “certification.” The Colonel was an opinionated fella, not much given to compromise, from what I hear. And the Scout was his baby.

Yeah, but the scout was also to be stupid lightweight and be able to be reloaded with stripper clips.

So much this. A mini30/VZ58 is more of a scout rifle than the GSR.

the general concept of a light handy rifle in an all rounder caliber is awesome, and has been done to death in various ways.

The insistence on following Cooper’s checklist is crazy though. Why does the scope need to be forward mounted? I’ve never had a problem reloading a bolt action with a scope (and anyway most of them take external mags anyway). Why does it have to be a Cheng Sling? Why no more than exactly a yard long?

It’s silliness and a great example of missing the forest for the trees.

If I had to guess why ….

Setting very hard, but not completely impossible, criteria can be an effective – if not very nice to the bidders – way to encourage getting as close as possible to the nominal ideal.

If they come close enough, e. g. to just about what you thought you could realistically get, you declare it good enough.

I believe the forward mount was inspired by express sights. For quick snapshots on a charging lion, a standard scope is insanely awkward. But at the same time, even Cooper had been dragged far enough along into the modern world, that he realized a scope was a necessity on a modern day general purpose rifle.

You need to remember that “General Purpose” for Cooper wrt the Scout, meant really General Purpose. Essentially “You get One Rifle at birth. You keep it for the rest of your life, in which you will travel the entire world. Your rifle needs to work for the duration. Be reliable, fixable and useful for anything. You’ll need it to put meat on the table. To defend against bear charges, and fight the occasional war or two. As well as general self defense when you find yourself in the kind of places similarly unexplored and lawless to that faced by the great Scouts of the 19th century West.” (Not in any way Cooper’s words, just my read on the Scout concept.)

For a purpose this general, the most important shots you’ll need to take, are the close-in ones. Miss a long shot at an Elk? Hey, just get back to stalking again! Have your big-ole Schmidt interfere with getting a quick hit off on a charging lion at 35 yards, or a bunch of marauding criminals closing in fast, and you get no second chance. So compromising minimally compared to a typical PH express rifle sight setup is priority one. Or perhaps priority two, after ensuring the rifle is light enough to always, really always, be with you. Then, but only within the constraints above, attempt to improve long range accuracy to meet modern standards. For that, a low power forward mount may not be such a bad idea.

Personally, my biggest issue with the Scout Cooper had Steyr build, wasn’t the optic placement, nor any other of the features (The built in bipod is a bit too bling and failure prone for my taste….). But rather that, since Steyr built it on their standard, hardly wight optimized action, the only way to meet the 3kg weight budget, was to excessively thin out the barrel. So you ended up with a rifle whose normal “few shot” handling and reliability is compromised by a feed and load system (10 round box magazine) built to make sustained fire reasonable, yet with a barrel no more able to stand up to sustained fire, than that of a Kimber Montana.

As I see it, to build a proper Scout, you’d need to start with a maximally relieved, ideally Ti or someething, action. Then build light and strong everywhere, but use a barrel that allows the rifle to be used properly for those few, but likely critical, times when that darned 10 round box actually makes a meaningful positive difference.

But regardless of what You and I may think, if Ruger wants the Gunsite moniker on their Scout, it’s what the current crew at Gunsite thinks that matters. And they do have their founder’s legacy and integrity to take into consideration.

Lighter than the listed 6.6 pounds?

It’s got to due with some states stupid hunting laws.

If I ever get a big chunk of throw around money I am going to commision a.

winchester 1895, mag fed leveraction, doesn’t have to be an original I can take a miroku new production.

chamber it for 9,3×62, 50cm-ish barrel.

Some sort of quick detach scope mount.

That is a great big for EU/US-all-purpose game.

9.3X62…Isn’t that the .338 Lapua round?

De Oppresso Liber.

Not common enough in the U. S.

True, but 45/70 should be hella common.

45/70 is pretty dang common, albeit expensive. I guess the question becomes does a Gunsite Scout in 45/70 take away sales from the Guide Gun?

Sounds like a blast but 450 Bushmaster is spotty to get, even online. SGAmmo, Ammo To GO and Midway are all sold out entirely when I checked yesterday. And it’s 1100 bucks.

I get the appeal for states that restrict what type of rifle cartridges you use but damn.

Whatever happened to the BLK Scout? For a “versatile” rifle with a short barrel, BLK’s the one I’d want…

I like the idea of something like a SMLE No. 5 Jungle carbine, but chambered in a cartridge like 45-70.

The Ruger scout rifle in 450 Bushmaster is as close as one can get. Now, we need a bolt action carbine chambered in .50 Beowulf…

Brockmans used to make a sweet bolt gun in .50.

Terminology quibble: SMLE was the No. 1 family; the No. 5 was a shortened derivative of the No. 4 family.

There were about 200 “no 6” jungle carbine prototypes built on SMLE no 1 actions by Lithgow arms in Australia as an experiment in 1944. This was because Australia went through ww2 never having adopted the no4. Ian at Forgotten Weapons has a great video on three examples for sale at the James D Julia Auction House.

Don’t forget the 1922-24 ShtLE Mk. V, which was only used in trials and not adopted. It’s like a SMLE with a rear peep sight.

I have one, gleefully acquired from a notorious rip-off dealer who thought it was “just another ol’ smelly.”

Mosins are easy to rechamber to 45/70. Just deburr the action and should run slick.

Isso é verdade. I have seen a project where a Mosin was turned into a 45-70 cannon.

Personally, I prefer the aesthetics of the Jungle Carbine, especially the protruding detachable magazine and conical flash hider. I have always liked the idea of such a rifle in a large bore, medium range cartridge like 45-70, 444 marlin or something similar.

Hmm, conical flash hiders are available for Mosins… not hard to do. Then there is 10 round mags for it as well (think you might get 8 rounds in them in 45/70 or something due to angles.)

Should be close in regards to look, but not detachable mag.

This is something I’ve never heard of, and while I’ve always said “I’ll never bubba my Mosin,” suddenly I’m tempted to bubba my Mosin.

Think about it, 45/70 vs 7.62x54mmR; both are rimmed and have somewhat similar width.

You mainly need to take into account that 7.62×54 is more tapered and longer.

Sim. I can see the similarities, and as far as mods on a Mosin go, it’s not the worst I’ve ever heard.

450 Bushmaster Max pressure is listed as 40,000 PSI. This is for the AR-15 type actions that fire it.

The Ruger action can easily take 60,000 PSI rounds like the 308 Winchester.

How long until we see “Ruger Only” 450 Bushmaster loads? Would be quite a boost in performance. Case life may be an issue, but the parent case is the 284 Winchester. So the case may hold up fine in a bolt gun. Not commercially obviously, except perhaps Buffalo Bore, but reloaders would for sure be souping things up.

Reloaders have been doing it for years with 45-70. In the Hornady reloading manual, they have loads with 500 grain slugs for use in the Ruger No.1 and other sturdy actions.

Yup, that’s what I was thinking of. I own a Ruger Redhawk in 357 Magnum and have fired loads out of it that would literally blow up other 357 Magnums.

Running some ideas of powder and bullets in QuickLoad gives several hundred extra FPS boost while keeping pressure just below 50,000 PSI. (Keeping a Safety Margin.)

Cooper wanted a Thumper. Cooper would approve and so will Alaskan bear hunters.

You can just use a brass catcher. Easier than with a bolt action.

Cut to the chase. Make the Rifle in the 45-70.

That will will do what the 450 Bushmaster does plus a while lot more, up and down versatility. That is an awesome cartridge / gun combo I would spend 11 bills on.

You could always look for a nice Siamese Mauser conversion. I love mine ?

458 SOCOM has the same short cartridge with the same ballistics.

Kinda reinventing the .444 Marlin really.

Is there any glass with bdc for 45 bushy? Or do we need to just use mil dots?

Left handed version?

So I wonder when they will chamber rifles in the Smith & Wesson .460 magnum?

I don’t know what it is but I want it.

Doesn’t that look great in walnut? I wonder if Ruger will offer the other two calibres in walnut too?

I’d buy it TODAY if it was in 458 SOCOM with a 1/14″, and drop the price by skipping the brake.

The One-Rifle Rifle: Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle Review.

Back in 1984, Col. Jeff Cooper wrote an article for Gun Digest titled “The Scout Rifle Idea.” Basically, Cooper said that the perfect general-purpose rifle, “if you could own only one,” was a short, light .308 bolt action equipped with a barrel-mounted long-eye-relief, low-magnification scope for quick, both-eyes-open aiming.

He also laid out a full set of other specs involving loading, magazine design, accuracy requirements and handling characteristics. Shooters and rifle manufacturers have been arguing about these ideas ever since, and Cooper’s name has become synonymous with the concept.

For years, Cooper consulted with various manufacturers about commercial production of his brainchild. Several companies have since offered their own “Scout Rifle” designs (notably Steyr and Savage), plus “semi-Scouts” such as the now-discontinued Ruger M77 Frontier.

But now, more than a quarter century after the genesis of the original idea, Ruger has introduced its own formal rendition. It’s called the Gunsite Scout Rifle, in honor of the Arizona training facility Cooper founded in 1979. While the GSR is not an exact manifestation of every feature Cooper called for, it’s about as close as anyone has come.

The Ruger GSR is a new platform in the M77 family, featuring standard Mauser 98-derived features such as controlled round feed, Mauser-type claw extractor, a receiver-mounted fixed blade ejector and a receiver-mounted, three-position safety, but with a 10-round detachable box magazine. The GSR also has the recently developed Ruger LC6 trigger, which—thanks to its improved internal geometry—has a cleaner let-off than the previous M77 trigger.

Continuing M77 features include a flat-sided, flat-bottomed receiver with a forward-angling front bedding screw secured to the receiver’s integral recoil lug, integral receiver top mounts for the supplied Ruger rings and a one-piece stainless steel bolt and handle. You can get that bolt handle on either side; the GSR is available both in right - and left-hand versions.

The GSR’s 16½-inch medium-contour, cold-hammer-forged barrel has a Mini-14 protected post front sight, paired with a receiver-mounted, adjustable ghost-ring rear. A six-inch barrel-mounted Picatinny rail offers a variety of optics options—including long-eye-relief Scout scopes available from a variety of manufacturers, as well as nonmagnifying electronic and reflex sights. The Mini-14/SR-556-type flash suppressor brings the overall barrel length to 19 inches, but helps reduce the .308’s muzzle flash from the relatively short barrel. The 5/8-24 muzzle threads also allow removal of the flash suppressor in case you don’t want anything hanging out there.

The matte-black oxide hammer-forged 4140 steel barrel and investment-cast 4140 steel receiver sit in a weather resistant black/gray laminate stock with conventional front and rear QD sling swivel studs and a cut-checkered grip and forearm. “Gunsite Scout Rifle” is laser-engraved on the grip cap to note Ruger’s design collaboration with the staff of Gunsite Academy.

The stock is designed with a minimal .31-inch difference between the drop at comb and heel, to facilitate the square-behind-the-rifle firing stance Cooper favored and Gunsite teaches. The stock also features a one-inch soft rubber recoil pad, with three half-inch spacers that allow the length of pull to be adjusted from 121/2 to 141/4 inches for individual requirements or to provide proper fit with outerwear or defensive gear.

The GSR’s magazine well and triggerguard are fiberglass-reinforced nylon. The magazine release is a push-forward Mini-14 type “quick drop” paddle just ahead of the triggerguard. Each GSR comes equipped with one 10-round magazine, and five-round accessory magazines are also available.

The Accuracy International tapered stagger-feed magazines require cartridges to be loaded by pushing them down against the follower, then backward under the feed lips, rather than snapping them down directly from above. This means they are therefore guided forward under the magazine lips during the bolt stroke, so the controlled-round Mauser-type bolt actually functions as a push-feed during most of its travel. This results in a notably different feel to the feeding cycle than with other M77s, and it might take some getting used to (at least until Ruger perfects its own proprietary polymer magazines).

The GSR actually only took about one year to put together from Ruger’s “let’s do it” moment until the product launch in December 2010. After planning meetings in Arizona between Ruger and Gunsite personnel, Ruger’s New Hampshire plant kicked into gear.

Veteran Ruger engineer Roy Melcher was given creative oversight for the project. The GSR would be his final accomplishment prior to his death in December, 2010. Ruger Product Manager Mark Gurney says that Melcher was the one who mandated that the GSR have only a 16.5-inch barrel (Cooper’s original template called for a minimum 18-inch tube). “Roy was a curmudgeon,” remembers Gurney. So when others were suggesting 18 inches, Melcher simply said, “No! It’s got to be 16½ inches. The Frontier has a 16½-inch barrel and it handles beautifully.” So 16½ inches it was.

From the moment the GSR premiered, it has generated a lot of comment from Cooper purists taking Ruger to task for violating one or another of the late Colonel’s original precepts. “The GRS isn’t really a controlled feed mechanism and can’t be loaded from the top” (the magazine lip issue). “The rear sight isn’t really a ghost ring” (the ring is too thick and the aperture too small). “It weighs too much” (Cooper really wanted it to be no more than 6.5 lbs). “There’s only one sling swivel stud on the fore-end” (Cooper’s recommended Ching Sling can’t be installed). “There doesn’t need to be a flash suppressor” (Cooper’s doctrine was for a military “scout” to shoot once and immediately move to a different location). And, of course, “The barrel’s too short!”

Well, I stand with Melcher on that last one. In his original writings on the idea of a .308 Scout, Cooper observed that 2,700 fps for a 155-grain from an 18½-inch barrel duplicates the ballistics of the original .30-06 load from a 24-inch barrel, which “sufficed very well for Theodore Roosevelt and Stewart Edward White in Africa.” Today’s factory loads with advanced propellants equal or exceed that with 16½-inch barrels. When it comes to a Scout Rifle, I think shorter is better—particularly if you’re going to hang a flash suppressor on the end of it.

According to Gurney, “We believe the Ruger GSR is a credible rendition according to Cooper’s concepts. We didn’t try to blindly follow any strict recipe, because Cooper didn’t have a strict recipe. He had guidelines; guidelines based upon an ideal, and Ruger and Gunsite have together followed those ideals as best we could while keeping costs and development time reasonable.”

Personally, I’m not so much interested in how closely the GSR adheres to the Cooper’s precise specifications as I am in how well it shoots, functions, and handles. It does all of these things extremely well. Particularly the shooting.

PERFORMANCE BEYOND THE CONCEPT.

When laying out his vision of the Scout Rifle, Cooper wrote that “any combination of rifle and man that can keep all ten shots in five inches” in a series of five two-shot pairs, standing to sitting, at 100 yards “demonstrates excellent practical accuracy;” and that a basic Scout should therefore “be good for two minutes, and 2½ will do very well.” Actually, I’m a little more demanding than that, because if all the rifle will do is deliver 2.5 minutes, that means I have to shoot at least as good as the gun just to keep inside that five-inch standard, both standing and sitting (not my forté). So the first thing I did when our review sample GSRs arrived was receiver-mount one of them with a compact Bushnell 6-24X varmint scope and sit down at a competition-grade benchrest to see exactly how much slack I was going to have to take up myself.

As it turned out, not any. I should confess that I really didn’t expect otherwise, because back in December 2010, when I had my first opportunity to shoot a GSR while taping Guns & Ammo TV at the Ruger factory in New Hampshire, I had been able to shoot 1¼-inch groups from a field benchrest while using a simple 2.5X scout scope—in real time, on camera; which is not a time when I really have my match-competition focus going. The overall average of 30 individual groups with six different commercial .308 Winchester loads through the GSR with the 24X scope was under one MOA.

When I dropped down to as stable a sitting position as I’m capable with Leupold’s new variable 1.5-4x28mm Scout Scope set at 4X, the 100-yard groups were still right at two to 2½ inches. Accurate rifle; good trigger.

I was an early convert to the Scout, because both-eyes-open aiming really works for deer hunting. So in 1987, when Remington offered its handy little 18.5-inch Model Seven 7mm-08 with a synthetic FS stock, I immediately set one up with a custom mount base on the barrel and a 2.75X Scout scope, and have used it for woodland whitetails ever since.

If I were limited to owning one rifle, it’d likely be an adjustable-stock AR carbine in 6.8 SPC rigged with a forward-mounted optic (in other words, a semiauto Scout).

But if it had to be a bolt-action, the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle would be the very one.

Left-handed, of course.

Ruger takes a serious run at Jeff Cooper’s signature concept with the Gunsite Scout Rifle.

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If You Could Only Own One Rifle: Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle .450 Bushmaster — Full Review.

“The one rifle to have if you could only have one.”

Ruger’s new Gunsite Scout Rifle in .450 Bushmaster may be the ultimate hog hunting rifle. Photo Courtesy: Ruger.

I don’t usually put much stock in marketing slogans, but in this case, I think Ruger nailed it. Their new Gunsite Scout Rifle in .450 Bushmaster is a fantastic all-around firearm, offering the power to take down large game and the maneuverability to carry in the thickest brush.

The Ruger Gunsite Scout is a great rifle for many tasks. The author found it to handle easily and the muzzle brake helped mitigate muzzle rise.

The .450 Bushmaster is one of three “thumper” rounds most commonly chambered in the AR-15 platform (the .458 SOCOM and the .50 Beowulf complete the trio). The quest for the perfect AR-15 cartridge is ongoing, but that hasn’t stopped manufacturers from implementing these powerful rounds in other platforms.

Ruger currently offers two models chambered in .450 Bushmaster: an iteration of their American Ranch series and the one I tested, the Gunsite Scout.

Type : Bolt-action rifle Cartridge : .450 Bushmaster Stock : American Walnut Sights : Protected Blade (front); Adjustable (rear) Capacity : 4+1 rds. Barrel Length : 16.1 in. Overall Length : 37 in. – 38.5 in. Material : Alloy Steel Finish : Matte Black Barrel Feature : Ruger Precision Rifle® Hybrid Muzzle Brake Length Of Pull : 12.75 in. – 14.25 in. Twist : 1:16 in. RH Weight : 6.6 lbs. Extractor : Non-rotating, Mauser-type controlled round feed extractor MSRP: $1,199 Manufacturer : Sturm, Ruger & Co.

.450 Bushmaster?

If you’re unfamiliar with the .450 Bushmaster, you’re not alone. It’s a relatively new cartridge, and not many companies manufacture the round or produce rifles that fire it. But as hog hunting grows in popularity, the .450 Bushmaster is well-positioned to grow right along with it.

This was the fastest velocity recorded. For comparison, a .45 caliber bullet fired from a handgun is usually traveling under 1,000 fps.

The “thumper round” concept was famously pioneered by Gunsite’s founder, Col. Jeff Cooper. Cooper admired the AR-15 platform, but he wanted a round more capable of taking down larger game out to about 250 yards. Tim LeGendre of LeMag Firearms developed his own thumper and called it the .45 Professional. He licensed the concept to Bushmaster Firearms Int’l for production and distribution, and Bushmaster unveiled the .450 Bushmaster in 2007.

The .450 Bushmaster has a bullet diameter of .452 inch and uses a cartridge case based on the .284 Win. I used Hornady’s 250-grain FTX bullet with a factory advertised muzzle velocity of 2,200 feet per second (fps). from a 20-inch barrel, which would deliver 2,686 ft.-lbs. de energia. When I measured the bullet velocity out of the Scout’s 16-inch barrel, the round averaged 2,145 fps with a high of 2,168 fps and a low of 2,109 fps. This produced 2,555 ft.-lbs. of energy at the muzzle. For comparison, a 168-grain .308 Win. bullet produces roughly 2,269 ft - lbs. of energy at the muzzle (depending on the powder charge, of course).

I can see why they call the .450 a “thumper.” The bullet’s stubby shape keeps it from maintaining its velocity at extended ranges, but anything within 200 yards is going to get hit hard. It’s the perfect round for penetrating a hog’s shoulder and reaching its vitals, and it would also make a great bear cartridge.

Hornady and Remington are the only companies manufacturing the .450 Bushmaster right now, and they offer it for.

$1.50/round. If that sounds a little steep, keep in mind that the straight walls of the .450 Bushmaster make it easy to reload, which will allow you to minimize ammunition costs.

All the Bells and Whistles.

The front sight is non-reflective and is protected on both sides.

Lately, I’ve been reviewing bare-bones, no-frills firearms that stick to the basics without messing around with extra features. The Ruger Gunsite Scout isn’t one of those firearms — and I loved it.

Upon opening the box, I found, along with the usual trigger lock and owner’s manual, a barrel thread protector, scope rings, and two spacers to adjust the length of pull. The spacers can be placed between the rubber recoil pad and the stock to accommodate shooters with longer or shorter arms.

The iron sights are the Scout’s most distinctive feature. The rear peep sight is adjustable for both windage and elevation, and the front blade is protected on both sides. The sight picture is easy to acquire, and adjustments can be made with the provided Allen wrench. The iron sights are a great resource if you’re deep in the brush and your scope malfunctions or loses zero.

Ruger’s Precision Rifle® Hybrid Muzzle Brake does a nice job controlling recoil. It uses a somewhat unorthodox 11/16 inch to 24-inch thread pattern.

The rear sight can be easily adjusted for both windage and elevation and can be mounted in front of the magazine well or behind it.

The safety includes three positions. In the rearward position, the bolt cannot be opened and the trigger cannot be pulled. In the middle position, the bolt can be cycled but the trigger cannot be pulled. This allows a live cartridge to be extracted from the chamber without fear of accidental discharge. In the forward position, the gun is ready to fire.

When the gun is fired, the beefy muzzle device helps control recoil. But be warned: the Scout is LOUD. I opted for double ear protection after a few shots. If you plan to take the Scout hunting, you may want to purchase a pair of electronic ear muffs so you can hear environmental sounds without damaging your hearing when you pull the trigger.

The muzzle device can be removed, which helps lower the blast volume but also increases muzzle rise. While the rubber recoil pad absorbs a surprising amount of felt recoil, the gun still jumps quite a bit when fired. Shooters can experiment with the muzzle device and the recoil pad spacers to achieve optimal levels of recoil, muzzle jump, and noise.

The Scout includes quite a few additional features (factory mounted Picatinny rail; detachable box magazine; free-floated, cold hammer-forged barrel), but I’ll wrap up this section with the most important interface between the shooter and the gun: the trigger. The trigger’s break is clean, crisp, and, most importantly, consistent. It broke at 3 pounds, 8 ounces.

Here the safety is in the middle position, which allows the bolt to be opened but keeps the trigger from dropping the firing pin.

After familiarizing myself with the rifle’s features and function, I was curious to determine its accuracy. Considering the round’s effective range, I knew that 1.5-inch groups at 100 yards would be sufficient.

The rubberized recoil pad absorbs tons of kick. Despite the force of the .450, the author found the Scout to be pleasant to shoot.

I began by zeroing the rifle at 100 yards using a 2-7X Bushnell Trophy Scout scope. Scout scopes feature longer eye relief (distance between the shooter’s eye and the front lens) than standard scopes, which allows them to be mounted forward of the receiver. The Bushnell scope I used had an 8-inch eye relief, and I was able to acquire a clear sight picture quickly.

I tested the rifle’s accuracy by shooting 20 three-shot groups, the best group measured .81 inch and the average was 1.7 inches.

The rifle’s accuracy testing results deserve a few notes of analysis. First, I was pleasantly surprised to have been able to record two sub-MOA groups and one 1-inch group. While I wouldn’t call it a sub-MOA rifle in a general sense, it is possible to shoot less than 1-inch groups if you do your part as the shooter.

I also discovered over the course of my testing that the Scout’s barrel heats up quickly. After nine or ten rounds, the group sizes started to expand, at which point I’d let the barrel cool. The four largest groups were shot when the barrel was the hottest, immediately before each cool-off period.

Considering the heat of the barrel, a fairer assessment of the rifle’s accuracy might be reached by excluding the last four groups, in which case the average drops to 1.47 inches.

Atuação.

A Caldwell Lead Sled helped the author steady the rifle and shoot consistent, reliable groups.

I had hoped to harvest a wild hog with the Scout to demonstrate the rifle’s effectiveness. Unfortunately, I came up short. If you know anything about hog hunting, you know that they can be unpredictable. I hunted several nights in a row but didn’t manage to find much wildlife beyond a few particularly curious bovine:

Still, I wanted to communicate some sense of the power of the .450 Bushmaster, so I set up two comparative tests. First, to get a handle on the round’s ability to penetrate wild game, I lined up 12 one-gallon water jugs. I shot the line of jugs with a 62-grain 5.56 Nosler Ballistic Tip, a 165-grain .308 Nosler Ballistic Tip, and the 250-grain .450 Bushmaster Hornady FTX.

The .5.56 decimated the first jug and split the second, but lacked the mass to continue through the third. The .308 blasted its way through four jugs and punctured the fifth. I found the round still more or less intact when I emptied the fifth jug. The .450 Bushmaster made its way through three jugs, and I found the round lodged between the third and the fourth.

I was surprised that the .450 rivaled the .308 in terms of penetration. I thought the .450’s stubby shape would hinder its ability to get through more than a few jugs, but its mass and velocity made up for its squatty physique.

The .308 is made for punching holes in things, which it did to this cinder block.

Also, note how the .450 expanded as compared to the .308. The .450 is at least two times the diameter of the .30 caliber round, which would have inflicted massive damage traveling through a game animal. The .450 might lack the extended range of more traditional rifle cartridges, but it will devastate anything it touches within 200 yards.

To confirm this theory, I set up a second (very unscientific) test. I placed a watermelon in front of two or three cinder blocks and shot through the watermelon with the .308 and the .450.

As you can see, the .450 smashed through the watermelon and the cinder block with quite a bit more force than the .308. I already knew this based on my ft.-lbs. of force calculations, but it’s cool to see those extra 300 ft.-lbs. of force in action. Whereas the .308 penetrated the cinder block and split it in two, the .450 smashed it to bits.

The .450 Bushmaster, on the other hand, totally obliterated the watermelon and the cinder block behind it.

Conclusão.

The .450 Bushmaster is a remarkably effective cartridge at short-to-medium distances, and the Ruger Gunsite Scout does a nice job taking advantage of its unique capabilities. The Scout comes with everything you’ll need to take big game in the brush, and its accuracy and durability will ensure a good shot when the moment is right.

I was impressed with the Scout throughout the course of my testing. It’s pleasant to shoot (considering the round), light weight, and it handles well in the field. I’ll be recommending it to my hog-hunting friends here in Texas, and you might consider it, too.

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The 450 Bushmaster Looks like a good option and it would be great to see it offered with a 20 -22 inch barrel length. The additional length would assist the 450 Bushmaster in obtaining top velocity, and tame recoil / barrel rise and still remains compact. A LH version would be great too.

hi everyone…..nice rifle and all the rhetoric that ppl love hearing……any thing i possibly say would be positive…..but……its somewhat too much money…..obama, clinton and the so called bolshevic/democrat party can take credit for that…..knock about 25% off of the $$$$ and it would be good for everyone……(Ruger and the Consumer)…..and the cost of ammo is nothing but robbery……and the Bull-Poop about re-loadable does not justify or stack up…..

Two additional non-starters for me. Bolt action and detachable magazine.

Please chamber it in 50 Beowulf, I have the caliber in an AR and it is a fun shooter.

At the range most feral hogs are shot, a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 mag. will stop them in their tracks. Easy to carry, cheaper ammo and rock-solid reliability, it is a “one-gun” solution for hogs at half the price. If you must use a long gun, 12-bore slugs will fell all creatures great or small within a hundred yards.

another product seller article. the only one rifle would be the 308. poor article written by a novice.

You all are missing one of the major points of this gun. In several states the DNR will only allow certian cartritages for deer hunting. Here in Indiana i have been using 454Cassul in a cheap rossie gun. I find it to be a great gun to carry because it is very light. Have had a lot of trouble keeping a red dot on it. Finaly had to use red locktite. It does the job. The state of Indiana’s rules are.

Rifles chambered for cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger, have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches, and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches are legal to use only during the deer firearms, youth, reduction zones from Nov. 18-Jan. 31 (in zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm), and special antlerless seasons.

Some cartridges legal for deer hunting on public include the .357 Magnum, .38-.40 Winchester, .41 Magnum, .41 Special, .44 Magnum, .44 Special, .44-.40 Winchester, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50.

Action Express, .500 S&W, .460 Smith & Wesson, .450 Bushmaster, and .50 Beowulf. Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal.

I am just guessing that Ruger came out with these rifles to fill a void in guns available for states like mine. I canot even guess what goes through the mindes of the people in charge of these states but to answer some of you i would be just fine hunting with a 45-70 but the cartrige is to long.

Nice looking gun, but why anyone would choose this over a 45-70 has me scratching my arse … sorry, head. Granted it’s a bolt gun but the venerable 45-70 is available in many different platforms with a plethora of factory ammo available from mild to wild. And if you’re a hand-loader you can approach .458 Win Mag velocities and stopping power with the correct rifle using a very large selection of projectiles. MUCH more than is available for the .450 and about half the cost! Need to load up some 500 Gr. solids to thump an elephant, or 300 Gr. HP for whitetails? No problem, the 45-70 will do it.

AND – if you’re up in Alaska hunting and you only want to carry one type of ammo for your main gun and back up gun you can use the same 45-70 ammo in a pistol like the BFR or Thompson Contender if you like. But I will say I’ve tried J. D. Jones’ original 45-70 loadings with 500 Gr. solids loaded for my SSK 12″ Contender and it’s NOT for the faint of heart!

45/70 is NOT legal in shotgun territory of Michigan, Indiana or Illinois.

I would take one if it was given to me , but I never buy a gun (or anything else) New that had no warranty. If you don’t know, Ruger gives no warranty (unless your state forces them to) on any of their firearms. Período. Most Firearms companies give a limited LIFETIME WARRANTY while RUGER gives NO WARRANTY and never has. If Ruger does not believe in their products then why should I buy them. I have fired Ruger pistols and their rifles and they seem to be well built, but what happens when that one gun gets past quality control and breaks the first time you fire it? Are they going to repair/replace it or tell you sorry there is no warranty. That’s just my 2 cents worth for what it’s worth (personally I wouldn’t give 2 cents for either. LMAO)

Sorry Joe, I do believe your mistaken on rugers not having a warranty. I do believe all there guns have one. I have a ruger #1 in 45/70. A beautiful gun. Well, I won’t go into details, but I destroyed my forearm. Totally my doing (fault). I called ruger and they gave me the address to send it to. I had no idea what it would cost, and didn’t care. I wanted my baby back. To my surprise, I got a call saying they got it replaced. were going to test fire and safety check it and send it back. NO CHARGE, I could not believe they fixed a gun that I broke and fixed it for free. That is customer service that can’t be beat. They don’t need to put there warranty in print. They stand behind there products. Made me a ruger fan.

Joe, while Ruger doesn’t have an expressed warranty, they will fix or replace any of their firearms for free as long as there are no obvious signs of abuse.

Well Joe I guest you don’t have any aperantly youhave no experience the Ruger firearms. I have had a few over the years and I only had trouble eith two. One was a 10 year old SP101 that I screw up the barrel. I called about a new barrel. I was ask to ship it in and they sent me a prepaid shipping label, so off it went. In about 10 days I received a call asking me to supply them with my FFL’s infor becsuse they were sending me a new gun. The other was a 10/22 with ejection problem once again they took care of it at no charge plus they sent me exta magazine for my trouble. So don’t speak to issues you have not researched.

Work in small shop here in Michigan – sell a ton of Ruger and have NEVER had an issue with them servicing ANY issue we have had. The reason they do not list specific warranty is that (some) LAWYERS ARE SCUM – rather than spend time and $$ defending their claims – just send it in!! Heard a story about an older semi custom mfr — when asked what HIS warranty was — he said “shoot it for a million rounds — after that I will fix it anyway”

Would love to own one.

I hunt an AR with .450 Bushy upper, Collapsible Stock, and 4 rail free float hand guard, Jewell trigger. It is great for walking through the woods or climbing into a blind, truck. Carry on a single point sling like an M4. Not a long range option, for that there are more suitable options but for applications listed above… The .450 Bushmaster is an excellent cartridge and deer, hogs and coyotes cannot tell that the .450 Bushmaster doesn’t have .458 bullet BC or construction. .450 BM kills animals like a Hammer and isn’t that what you want .?

The Ruger is an interesting firearm ?

Sorry to say, don’t think it does anything a Marlin Guide Gun already does.

The Marlin is a lot less $.

I work for a firearms manufacturer and I have to say Ruger builds some of the best guns in the world.

I cannot fathom why they chose .452 rather than .458 for bullet diameter. Maybe they didn’t want to be accused of duplicating the SOCOM (did it come first?). Choosing a pistol caliber limits you on the upper end of bullet weight. Also, many of the expanding pistol projectiles will give very little penetration when pushed harder than intended through a rifle barrel. Sure, hard cast bullets or solids will work, but you are still shooting pistol bullets with a lesser BC than rifle shaped bullets. Somebody help me out, cause I just don’t get it.

I recall hearing something about the .450 Bushmaster being loaded with muzzleloader projectiles rather than a more standard offering for a cartridge arm. Maybe that is where the difference comes in? Do .45 caliber muzzleloaders shoot a .452″? It does seem obvious that a .458″ would offer a greater variety of heavier bullets but would a cartridge with a case as small as a .450 Bushmaster, in the .223 class, flourish with a 300+ grain projectile? I could not say for certainty without some experimentation but I would expect not.

Tim designed the round to use the .452 bullets due to a much larger selection of projectiles. This thought process also includes the fact that .458 bullets can be resized to .452 and used as well. Best of both worlds.

Whenever there’s a sales slump in the shooting industry, various companies parade out their latest series of firearms & cartridges, hoping to stir up interest. In recent memory, we see the WSM & the WSSM series of cartridges. Remington brought out the RUM series. Of the entire WSM & RUM series, perhaps one or two each of those two series of cartridges might survive. Occasionally, you’ll have a real barn burner like the .40 S&W. If you happen to have a firearm chambered in one of the discontinued chamberings, then too bad/so sad; you my friend are SOL. After reading the article I only have one word: why?

Once again this website completes the task of being kust another sales tool.

OMG Yet Another almost useless obscure cartridge trying to JUSTIFY IT’S EXISTENCE!!

I do not own this rifle. I have not fired nor studied it. But I am very familiar with the rear sight since it was borrowed from the Mini-14/30 and is a piece of crap. If my two Mini-14s are used as examples, the rear peep hole sight is unstable. It moves constantly due to the high recoil forces and has very little measurable adjustment. “Blue” Locktite helps keep it still but doesn’t help with accuracy. The rear sight body itself gets jarred out of place with continuous recoil. Again Locktite helps.

The answer is forget the iron sights and get a red dot for the “Scout” rail or a quick action AR scope. But my chief question is a 450 round for what? What’s wrong with standard game ammo?

Non-standard cartridge and hearing protection needed are non-starters for me in only one rifle. And these non-starters are only two of many.

I have the Ruger American SS 22″ barrel model. It is hands down the most accurate out of the box rifle I own and or have ever shot. Have no regrets what so ever with the gun. A breeze to reload for. have had no issues finding loaded ammo or brass. To me it is a modern 45-70 and yes I own a LOT of 45-70 guns. And no I will not get rid of them.

I own several .444 Marlins which will do anything that this 450 Bushmaster can accomplish… In fact it will most likely do it even better and has been around since 1965. Also have a pair of 45/70’s Lever Guns that cost me @ $300 each and are in the same power class but will concentrate on only the .444 Marlin because I feel it’s actually the superior cartridge.

# 1. A 444 with 22″ bbl shooting a 240 gr .429 slug at 2300+ fps with @ 2900fps of energy… Ammo easy to find and paid only $325 at gun show for a used 99%+ gun still in original box. Will also push a 265 grain slug at @ 2200 fps and a 300 grain at @ 2,000 fps. both with enough energy to drop anything on the North American Continent.

# 2. Also own a scarce Marlin .444P built in 1999 with 18.5″ ported bbl… 1/20 Ballard Twist weighing in at 6.5 lbs and 37″ long that can still push that 240 grainer at @ 2200 fps with more than adequate punch to drop anything within that 200 yard barrier. Cost on that jewel after a bit of negotiating was a mere $375 in Feb of 2017 at a local gun show and was also is in original box and believe it was still UN-fired.

Those lever guns are also much faster on 2nd and consecutive shots than any bolt action… especially in a Brush Hunting Situation.

So why pay $1,200 for a .450 Bushmaster Ruger that’s almost impossible to get ammo for unless you stock up online at ridiculous prices. Not convinced that it’s a very good deal until ammo prices drop and become more available.. plus the gun also becomes more available and can be purchased at @ half or less of that suggested retail price.

To my way of thinking only — there is nothing power wise that the 450 has over the 444 or the 45/70 — it’s just an additional caliber THAT IS legal to hunt deer in some states – in the shotgun zone — the 444 and 45/70 DO NOT qualify to do that . It’s not a performance race //// just a legality issue for a few States.

It’s not any uglier than a SMLE, and what I was reminded of at first glance. The .44 Mag Ruger Semi Auto, Model 3 in .45-70, certain 788 Remingtons, .350 Mags, Model 7’s were presented much the same way. Stubby brush guns, varying degrees of power, saleable profiles.

Which isn’t so ugly at all, undeniable attraction to function over form, which should be applied more often.

Limited availability of rounds preclude choice for all-in-one right now, but the point is valid. Lots of cartridges apply to all-in-one theorizing; though just another way to market one more into your personal arsenal. It is the firearm + cartridge which really dictate all-in-one.

One more interesting detail is authors productive dexterity in wildcatting new rounds; viz .556, .5.56, 450 Bushmaster.

Decimal points seem insignificant, until fitting one thing inside another…

The one rifle concept limited to around 2-3 meter range is just stupid.

Especially in a Bolt gun!

The .450 is an excellent short range hunting cartridge, but hardly a “one rifle” caliber due it’s lack of range.

If survival were strictly as a game getter in heavy forest or brush, than perhaps, but it lacks credibility on so many points.

It would be severely limited in open prairie or savannah.

The comparison to the .308 pales when ranges to 500 meters and non game usage come into play.

I wouldn’t even consider it.

Factory ammo? What an interesting idea. Bought one of these (yep, sure are ugly rifles), got a bunch of brass and a set of dies and got out my Ranier plated lead .45 Colt projectiles…what a pleasant and uncomplicated cartridge to load. Was I absolutely amazed by the sub MOA group on my rest. The rifle is a tack driver…with my cheap cast/plated bullets…the author didn’t lie, it’s an accurate rifle/load to shoot….not a pretty rifle though.

I have a Siamese mauser in 45/70 that will do that easily it is a little bumpy but gets the job done.

The 450 BM was developed for the AR, and is useful in that platform, but suggesting that that cartridge in an all purpose, one rifle only as a great choice is a poor recommendation. The 45-70 is a much better choice with better ballistics in the non-trapdoor loadings and has better availability. Plus using the trapdoor loadings offers a low recoil option for practice or other uses. Leave the 450 BM for the AR, but if you only have one gun and it is an AR then this would be a welcome caliber option for bigger stuff.

I’ve had the 450BM cartridge for several years in the AR platform, and absolutely love it. Amazingly accurate out of an AR, too. As for its effective range, how many of us really do any hunting at long ranges? For that matter, the 450BM has been used very successfully far beyond 200 yards…see the website: 450bushmaster.

As for ammo availability, you can now get excellent factory loadings from Underwood Ammo and XCaliber Ammo, along with Hornady and Remington, in a variety of bullet weights and styles. It is an amazing cartridge, and is getting more popular every day. Try it, you’ll like it! underwoodammo xcaliberammo ammoseek.

WHY? This has still not been answered. Não para mim. If you like to shoot more than a few shells you will have to take out a second loan on the homestead to buy ammo. One rifle , make it one that you can afford to shoot and ammo is easy to find. .22 rim fire,.223 the older calibers that can be found at your local sporting goods store, even if you live in a small town.

Artigo agradável. My buddy and I have Gunsite Scouts that started as 308’s and were rebarreled by SBR to 458 SOCOM, a few years ago. Supersonic it’s formidable with 325 gr Tripleshocks. Subsonic and suppressed its INCREDIBLE with 500 gr JSP’s. Bushmaster and Beowulf are cool but lack bullet options the 458 SOCOM has available.

The 450BM can use any 0.451-0.452 bullet that is designed for the velocity you’re loading it to…AR platform rifles pretty much require a jacketed design, though. You can get bullets from the factory loadings that are polymer-tipped, solid copper hollow point, solid brass and regular JHP designs. Ditto plus some for handloading components. Brass is available from Hornady and Starline.

How might the .450 work for Deer hunting or would it be too much gun?

The 450BM is ideal for deer…very unlikely you’ll have to track anything! See 450bushmaster.

The .308 based 45 Raptor has 30% more energy than the shorter Bushmaster. Why not take full advantage of the Ruger Scout receiver?

I HAVE THE RUGER AMERICAN IN 450 BUSHMASTER CAL. I ALSO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER RUGERS.

WHAT CAN I SAY OTHER THAN ITS A RUGER I OWN MORE RUGERS THAN ANY OTHER TOP BRANDS.

I got the .450 Bushmaster upper for my mil spec AR-15 lower and love it! 2 guns in 1.

The 450 Bushmaster isn’t twice the diameter of the .308, but perhaps the author meant twice the frontal area?

It’s a little more than twice the cross sectional area, not diameter as you point out.

I believe the author was referring to the expanded bullet size, which in the picture looks to be almost, but not quite, twice the diameter of the .308. The .308 is a ways from the tape, but it looks to be just about 1/2″, whereas the bushmaster is over 3/4″ expanded. Still hyperbole, though.

Another advantage to a bolt action 450 BM is you can load it much hotter than for an AR. The AR is limited to 40k psi due to the ammount of material that had to be removed from the bolt head to accommodate the 450 BM round. A bolt action that shares the same bolt head as any 308, 30-06, ect has no such limitation and can be loaded back up to 284 win specs which is over 60k psi. Its good for an additional 300-400 fps over factory loads. The cases are immensly strong and last nearly forever, even when using nuclear level loads. I’m able to push 250’s at 2600 fps without issue and 300’s to about 2300 fps. It is able to use a very wide rsnge of powders from fast pistol powders for subs to some of the faster rifle powders. It’ll shoot any .452 dia projectile and you can also resize .458 rifle projectiles and use those as well. Its a very versitile round and proven to be very accurate in my experience.

Don’t forget all the 0.451 bullets that are perfectly acceptable also for the 450BM in a bolt rifle, and all the jacketed 0.451s for the AR platforms…

If I could only have one rifle, it would be one that fired common, easy to find ammunition. IMHO almost any combo gun, like a .223/12ga. Why that particular pairing? Well, .223 is almost as popular as .22 and 12ga is arguably the most popular shotgun ammo (in addition to both being military rounds). So, if SHTF ever occurred, both rounds should be relatively easy to obtain by scrounging.

Why limit yourself to one caliber, especially one that is not common, like the Bushmaster .450?

Just thinking back to less than a year ago, when there was a national disaster (8 years long…) 223/555 was scarce as hens teeth. 450 Bushmaster was available at the LGS, Walmart, and DSG. Given the popularity of the 223, it’s gonna be the first round to disappear in any sort of emergency or panic.

I’ve rethought my SHTF/EOTWAWKI scenarios since then. Just because the military uses it doesn’t mean I’ll be able to get it. It will be hoarded and used by people with guns and armies to back them. Better off getting what you need/want now in whatever caliber you prefer. Better still, have a variety of calibers to take advantage of whatever you can find. Better still, reload and stockpile components.

Better still, establish yourself early on after societal collapse as a local warlord/hegemon so you can command the armies to do your bidding and not worry about the whole caliber problem.

I’m not gonna buy into the 450 BM round or this gun… Mainly because I don’t want to shoot a “BM.” I DO want a 458 SOCOM, but as an upper, not a bolt gun. That’s mainly because I shoot a lot of 45-70 and like the idea of a similar round in an AR (and because I can use the same bullets). If someone wanted to GIVE me this gun (or any gun for that matter) I wouldn’t turn it down…

I love thumpers and I can see the appeal of a thumper without the kick off a full sized 45-70 load. From lots of personal experience, it’s far nicer to know your deer will drop wherever it was standing when you hit it than realizing you will be tracking a gut shot animal half a mile. I once hit a deer in the front leg with a 45-70 (not my proudest moment) and it was DRT where it had been standing when I walked over. Something to be said for a lot of energy dumping fast into an animal that makes for a pleasant hunt. 🙂

Wouldn’t try to sell anyone what on the 45-70, 458 SOCOM, or 450 BM, but it’s not a terrible idea. Agreed that it’s not gonna be a great “do it all” round (I wouldn’t want to eat the squirrel shot by any of those rounds), but I could see it serving a useful place in an arsenal of freedom.

If I could only own 1 rifle, it would be a Mod 700 Rem SS in 7mm08.

I agree that the .450 is a great round! BUT If you can have only one gun, why would you pick one that is almost impossible to find Ammo for. A .22 rifle is the best if you can only have one. Ammo is always available and cheap! You may not be able to take big game easily, but you can both protect yourself and take small game easily!

Hands off my 22 I agree with having only one, give me a 22 it will take small to mid range game. They are very deadly with the right bullet placement.

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